President-elect Donald Trump told “60 Minutes” reporter Lesley Stahl that the prominence of lobbyists in his presidential transition was due to the need for qualified people who know the system, not a violation of his campaign vow to “drain the swamp” in Washington.

Stahl continued to press Trump on the point, pointing out that his transition team is “filled, with lobbyists,” including lobbyists from Verizon and the oil, gas, and food industries. Trump responded, “Everybody’s a lobbyist down there. … I’m saying that they know the system right now, but we’re going to phase that out. You have to phase it out.”

One of Trump’s talking points throughout his presidential campaign was a promise to “drain the swamp” in D.C. of insiders and lobbyists. Spokesperson Kellyanne Conway said on Sunday that Trump would retain quality people with D.C. experience; later in the day, Trump named Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus as his Chief of Staff. Trump has promised lobbyist reforms would take place within his first 100 days as president.

Trump, who has admitted to earning the favor of politicians by sending them money during his time as a businessman, told “60 Minutes” that

Everything, everything down there — there are no people — there are all people that work — that’s the problem with the system, the system. Right now, we’re going to clean it up. We’re having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we’re going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren’t happy about, but we’re putting on term limits. We’re doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist.

Trump’s words somewhat echo those of another President-elect who vowed to change Washington: then-Senator Barack Obama (D-IL). The president declared in his 2010 State of the Union address that “we have excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs,” while his aide David Axelrod said the next year that the administration”has ended the revolving door between industry and government.”

Last year, however, Politico noted that “seven years into Obama’s presidency, the revolving door shuttling officials out of his administration is spinning at a rapid clip.” In 2013, a scholarly study estimated that Obama had used various loopholes and technicalities to hire more than 100 former lobbyists at the White House.